RON PAUL

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Throw your vote away...
It's amazing how the lunatic fringe thinks that they can beat the majority. What? Ron Paul supporters can't do math. In this case it's better to support the lesser of 2 evils than to throw your vote away. - Damon , posted 06/28/08
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Go Dr. No
If you want the same hideous abuse we've been getting from politicians, don't vote for Ron Paul. Then stop your bitching, because you get what you voted for. The other candidates are all more of the same, but Ron Paul has proven for decades that he is genuine, and really does want to give us back our freedom by reinstating the Constitution.

Scary, isn't it? Freedom, oh MY, there oughta be a law against that! - Highland , posted 06/22/08
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Winning. - Unsubscribed , posted 06/07/08
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well...
I love the man for being such a breath of much needed fresh air and for his undying idealism.
BUT he also appears somewhat myopic in some of those ideals, and from his interviews he looks like just a dreamer. All he does is talk about what we should do and what he would like to see, but there is not so much as an inkling that he has any idea of how to accomplish it. I don't know if he's fit to lead this country in the critical state that it's in. Just because he's a great guy, doesn't make him a great presidential candidate. He seems like he lacks the drive and passion to actually accomplish anything himself. I would rather have someone like him be part of the president's cabinet.

PLUS...I want the right to kill my innocent unborn babies if I feel like it. - dasha , posted 02/22/08
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Ron Paul = Pacal Votan
Ironic isn't it? That as we approach the ensuing chaos and critical nature of a planetary BIRTH of galactic awareness in 2012 we're gonna have an obstetrician in office? Perfect!!
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(I'm kidding so chill out you foul-mouthed Paul-bashers!)

But seriously if he's racist then why did the president of the NAACP just announce that he's been a close friend of Dr. Paul's for 20 years and supports his candidacy?

(Besides, that repugnant New Republic smear piece that got people calling Paul racist was funded by PNAC and the information source was non other than Bill White, white supremacist extraordinaire, self-appointed Fuehrer of the U.S. nazi party, and vocal Ron Paul hater. Look it up, it's true.)

Ron Paul is the only one who will pardon all non-violent drug offenders in the US.
Ron Paul is the only one who will keep the internet free.
Ron Paul is the only one who will end the senseless war.
Ron Paul is the only one who will save our economy,
restore health freedom
and restore our civil liberties.
I could on and on and on but I'll let you figure out the rest.

Dr. Paul is the thinking person's candidate so you may not understand what he is really about until you actually look deeper into the important issues.

If you support KUCINICH, don't worry, Ron and Dennis are great friends and Ron will probably appoint Kucinich as Secretary of State... imagine Kucinich as international diplomat/ peace-maker!!! Then Kucinich will have the respect to win in 2012. This can only happen if you vote for Dr. Paul!!!!!

And if you'd rather support OBAMA PLEASE WATCH THIS 1 MIN VIDEO:
(It's not a smear, not partisan, just some vital info!)
www.youtube.com/watch

Peace & Love!

"A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having" -V - Evan , posted 01/29/08
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Paul is massively overrated
Paul is anti-war, which is good, but he is also anti-abortion, anti-environment, anti-immigration, anti-church/state separation, and anti-gay. (I won't even go into all of the racist stuff.) Any liberal platform he and his followers dismiss as "collectivist."

Dennis Kucinich is also anti-war, but is truly progressive (universal health care, pro-immigration, etc.) and lacks the fanatical followers Paul has.

See this article for specifics: <a href="www.dailykos.com/storyonly...">Ron Paul Hates You</a> - Brent , posted 01/20/08
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Hooray Ron Paul
Ron Paul! I met him in Seattle and he was a wonderful and genuine person who wants peace. - Thorrific , posted 01/01/08
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his critics must be too lazy to read
ron paul would LIKE to see the FEDERAL government get out of a lot of places where it doesn't belong and has no RIGHT to be.
Getting rid of the FEDERAL department of education would BENEFIT public education IMMEASURABLY.
Being opposed to federal AUTHORITY over drug use, education, sexual activity between consenting adults, gay marriage, prostitution, and yes, abortion, is a far cry from being either for or against ANY of those things. The fact is that centralized government control over the lives is more often than not a miserable failure and an assault on individual freedoms and responsibilities. The Republocrats would have us believe that the only prerequisite of good citizenship is to pay taxes and the only sin is our failure to conform and obey.

Ron Paul is running for president while most of the others are running to be king. He should be elected not for the things that he would do (if he could) as much as for the things that he wouldn't do. He's promising to rescind all of the unlawful executive orders imposed by the Bush/Clinton cabal and force congress to re-assume all of the authorities that it has shirked onto the executive branch in recent years. I could go on and on, but anyone who takes the time to open their minds and do some reading will see that INDIVIDUAL rights AND responsibilities are far more important than any pandering to the illusion of group rights (corporate, racial, gender, sexual preference, religion, etc.)

The Democrat's candidate will win the election, but which Republican would you rather see defining the issues for them during the campaign? He's the only candidate with enough balls to utter the words 'fascism' and 'empire'. - zdbo , posted 01/01/08
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I love Ron Paul
I never agree with anyone 100% let alone a politician. I believe in a woman's right to choose, Ron Paul doesn't, BUT he would leave that decision to the individual states to vote on. Here in Oregon the right for a woman to choose an abortion would probably never be taken away. So I can deal with Ron Paul having an opposing view on this issue. I've always had libertarian leanings, and Ron Paul speaks about the issues I really care about, he has sensible solutions, he's never swayed from his beliefs, and he wants SMALLER government FOR REAL!!! I love him, love him, love him. - Tinkles , posted 12/28/07
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Very racist
…and very hostile to non-christians, and homophobic. Also, there is a reason why he's a republican. He blames the poor for being poor. He hates public education, even more than the other repugs.

I am already having a hard time with the idea of re-registering to the democratic party, but if I do, I will vote for Kucinich. Hes the only person laying the cards on the table. - Tedster , posted 12/27/07
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never in a million years
The man is an out and out racist. - Geekster , posted 12/27/07
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Seth--"Just can't help myself" said it all.
I would never even consider voting for Ron Paul.....go to his website and look at his position on ALL of the issues! If you think Ron Paul is progressive (which someone here mentioned), think twice. Yes, it appears on some issues he is more liberal than the other Republican Candidates, but he is certainly NOT progressive!

For instance his stance on abortion--I've copied the below quotes directly from his website...

"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle." Ron Paul

"In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman."
Ron Paul

"In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094."
Ron Paul

"I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn."
Ron Paul

"I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.”
Ron Paul

"As an OB/GYN doctor, I’ve delivered over 4,000 babies. That experience has made me an unshakable foe of abortion. Many of you may have read my book, Challenge To Liberty, which champions the idea that there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected. Much can be understood about the civility of a society in observing its regard for the dignity of human life."
Ron Paul - Rachel , posted 12/29/07
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ron pauls awesome, i agree with everything hes about, and he is VERY progressive, he wants the troops out NOW not in a year or two or three or four or whenever makes the most money, hes not a rich guy which means he never took the bribes that float around politicians all the time - Unsubscribed , posted 12/22/07
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Ron Paul fights for the constitution
If that were all I could say about him, it would be enough for me. People here talk about him wanting to end this program, or that program. Please, end them all. People talk about the poor being left behind, not getting their welfare, their free health care, their children brought up and paid for by the government, in other words, by me. There is room for everyone to prosper in this country, if the government would just get out of the way. I don't want Social Security, it is a Ponzi scheme, and Ponzi schemes always fail, just at this one will, probably just when I get to the point of payoff. A scheme that we are FORCED to participate in, I might add. Medicare, I have been paying for that for a long time, what have I gotten? Nothing. Abortion rights? Maybe people should try not getting pregnant. Mind you, I didn't say not having sex, do that all you want, I do. But I have never fathered a child, because I am a responsible person. That's what it all boils down to, personal responsibility, and I take it as my personal responsibility to vote for a man that doesn't want to take 75% of my hard earned money from me at gunpoint and give it to someone who doesn't want to work. And that person who doesn't want to work could be anyone from a welfare recipient to a government "worker" who wants the job and the benefits to always be there whether they work or not. Yes, I am a libertarian, and proud of it. - Lester , posted 12/22/07
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Hope for america!
We'll see how he does in the early primaries..... - Luc , posted 12/22/07
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A vote for Beeblebrox is a vote for frood
Someone in this thread mentioned Paul "bashing.."
'Spose that means disagreeing with the Ron Paul faithful.
(Which I do).
I have to respect him for taking unconventional positions,
something the media covered candidates avoid.
If he really advocates removing government from the institution of marriage,
my hat's off to the guy. It should be none of governments' business who marries who..
But everything I've read about Pauly gives me the impression of another Libertarian-esque dreamer.
Less government always seems like a great idea - until YOU need it yourself to restrain some carnivorous concern about to eat you.
But all this is what's (entertaining and) practical about democracy.
Free speech means you have to tolerate (and support) that other bozo's view being aired.
Even if he pisses you off.
You can't really sling the word Freedom around while you call dissenters traitors.
Well you CAN, but you look an ass.
Ron Paul makes a lovely spoiler candidate - drawing the lunatic fringe away from all those other candidates people are loony enough to vote for.
And he's helping making inroads against the binary-party travesty.
For this we should thank the good doctor. - Unsubscribed , posted 12/21/07
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Hop for America!
So tempting just to rub out that E - or change the H to a P. - Incendiary , posted 12/18/07
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Just can't help myself
yay copypasta!

1. Eliminating public institutions of higher learning by privatizing the entire system, stubbornly voting against all measures to increase public funding of universities. The G.I. Bill, which provided the broadest access to higher education the country has ever seen, according to Ron Paul was an atrocity. Higher education, on his view, is only something that should be available to students whose parents can pay for it. Let the market determine who can afford higher education... Paul believes, absurdly, that access to higher education is neither a public good nor something any citizen should have a right to.
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2. Destroying free public education at all levels K-12 and beyond (i.e. abolish the dept. of education, arguing that all education should be a privately-owned venture, advocating home-schooling, opposing all public spending initiatives, eroding funding by eliminating taxes on the wealthy). Ron Paul believes that education should be treated just like any other commodity, like an iPhone, and purchased only if you have enough money to afford it. On his view, it is neither a social good nor a right that any fair or just society should try to ensure. Your parents don't earn enough to pay out of pocket for your schooling? Ron Paul says 'tough luck.'

Expect at this point that his defenders will reply in the following way: "C'mon... even though he believes this he wont actually go through with it! Congress wouldn't let him! He would just focus on dismantling education funding at the Federal level! He actually loves public education at the state level even though he abhors public spending and argues that profit-driven markets solve all problems."
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3. Staunchly opposing national health insurance and in favor of further privatizing a putrid for-profit system that rakes in billions in returns for its ownership while close to 50 million Americans are uninsured (as opposed to ZERO in Canada) and many of those that are insured get dropped or drowned in extremely costly co-pays and premiums. Right now, health bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US and the US Healthcare system ranks 37th worldwide. Ron Paul argues that if we'd just give the private insurance corporations more 'freedom', only then could they show their truly amicable intentions and the whole situation would be puppy-dogs and ice-cream. Remember: according to Ron Paul, profit-driven markets and deregulation solve all problems, democratic government creates them. Like education, Ron Paul believes that access to life-saving health care is just a commodity, to be made available only to those who can afford it.

But... Ron Paul is a doctor. So whatever he says is probably the right thing to believe.
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4. Worsening the student debt crisis by further gutting (I say 'further gutting' because Bush and his GOP congress made putative cuts in 2005) programs like Pell Grants and Stafford Loans and giving even more of the student loan system over to a (corrupt, as we've seen from recent revelations in NY) billion-dollar for-profit industry. Ron Paul thinks we should slash all public financial aid and only have unregulated private lenders who skim profits from college students' inability to afford high-priced tuition. Remember, education isn't a public good or a social imperative, its should be thought of like any other mundane commodity (e.g. frosted wheats) according to libertarians.
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5. Destroying the environment: in the 109th Congress alone, he voted to allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, to shield oil companies from MTBE contamination lawsuits, against increasing gas mileage standards, to allow new offshore drilling, and to stop making oil companies pay royalties to the government for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. For Ron Paul, any law which restricts the behavior of business owners to maximize profits is a bad law. When it comes down to the uninhibited pursuit of profits ad infinitum versus creating a sustainable society built around the ideas of human and environmental health, Ron Paul will always choose the former.

Again: Ron Paul holds the quasi-religious conviction that markets and profit-motives will always produce the best outcomes, come hell or high water.
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6. Destroying the graduated income tax (reverting to the regressive system in place during the Gilded Age), letting the rich get out of paying their fair share and depleting funding for social goods. On Ron Paul’s view, it’s ‘communistic and against liberty’ for Warren Buffet to be expected to pay more in taxes than someone working two jobs earning less than $20,000/year. Its the prerogative of freedom, however, that businesses be encouraged to drop real wages as low as possible. The more the scheme of taxation shifts the burden from the rich onto the working and middle classes, the better according to Ron Paul.
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7. Making racist remarks such as "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." Paul was also part of a racist newsletter which made statements like, "only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions" and "I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Ron Paul also believes that the Civil Rights Act was a MISTAKE which "reduced individual liberties"… and surprise, surprise: his reasoning is that the federal government should not have ended segregation because doing so violated “states rights.” Segregationist Senators Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond also agreed with this thinking and filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Its also worth noting that the most prominent arguments against the abolition of slavery were driven by precisely the same rhetoric.
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8. Supporting right-wing anti-choice laws and stripping women of reproductive rights. Ron Paul preaches a good deal about 'letting the states decide' on abortion, however, he has attempted to ban abortion at the federal level (Sanctity of Life Act). Furthermore, the 'states rights' position on this issue is nothing other than a means of avoiding giving arguments and subsequently creating a smokescreen for weakening legal and safe access to abortion. If you're actually against abortion, come out and say so. "States rights" doesn't begin to give an answer to the difficult political questions that abortion creates, it only gives a quick-and-dirty means of shutting off discussion and sneaking in ways of dismantling legal, safe access to abortion.

But don't bother thinking for yourself on this issue... just repeat 'states rights' incessantly and remind us that Ron Paul is a doctor (and therefore, couldn't but be correct on the issue).
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9. Opposing Church-State Separation: From keeping "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to co-sponsoring the school prayer amendment to keeping the Ten Commandments on a courthouse lawn, this "strict constitutionalist" isn't a big fan of the Constitutionally-mandated separation of church and state. He will tow the 'states rights' line here as well, but make no mistake about his support for allowing religious conservatives to demolish state/church separation (Read the bill he sponsored, the frightening "We The People Act"). Paul also believes the Constitution is "replete with references to God" even though it makes none whatsoever... so much for his billing as a 'Constitutionalist'.
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10. Supports the repeal of public programming like NPR, PBS and the National Endowment for the Arts and Humanities. These are examples of the terrors of "big government", according to Paul.

Yet, for all the vitriol he may (or may not) spew at news outlets like Fox News, big corporate cable media of this sort is precisely what unfettered markets both produce and nourish. Fox News isn't about good journalism, it is the paradigm of commodified, profit-obsessed, tabloid-quality entertainment-trash which is what happens when media becomes an industry set up to make the most money possible.

What if producing necessary, critical, in-depth, thoughtful and engaging journalism isn't the most lucrative option in a market rife with entertainment-kitsch 'news'? Is critical journalism therefore less necessary for any conception of democracy worthy of the name?
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11. Supporting xenophobic anti-immigrant positions. This is where Ron Paul's nativist and Right-wing tendencies are most pronounced. This is also an issue where Ron Paul draws the staunch support of Far-Right groups such as Neo-Nazis.

According to Ron Paul, immigrants, even those who have lived here for decades, aren't human beings... according they are 'aliens' who must be expelled from our society. According to this logic, we should not try to make legal immigration less absurd and exclusive, we should not try to include the ranks of undocumented workers into our society, but we should punish the U.S.-born children of undocumented workers by denying them access to education. This isn't about 'following the law'... this is about thwarting any legal or political changes that might allow Mexican workers to come to the U.S., a nation in which the only 'native' inhabitants largely live on reservations. Nationalism, like Ron Paul, is a disease.
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12. Opposing worker's rights, workplace democracy and virulently against workers organizing themselves against exploitative employers (Ron Paul has consistently voted against stopping employer interference in union organizing and he opposes the Employee Free Choice Act.) Note also that from Ron Paul's libertarian perspective, workers are seen as commodities, not human beings who depend on the wages they earn from their labor to live on. According to free-market orthodoxy, labor laws establishing 40 hr work weeks and workdays, protections for workers, unionization, etc are all "rigidities" which disrupt a firm's ability to maximize profits most effectively. If it weren't for regulation of business we wouldn't have labor laws prohibiting unsafe work environments and child labor... of course these things were both popular during Ron Paul's favored period of American history: The Gilded Age.
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13. Fervently opposes raising the minimum wage, in favor of abolishing the minimum wage altogether (a standard libertarian belief.) Let me repeat this one more time: RON PAUL THINKS WE SHOULD ABOLISH THE MINIMUM WAGE ALTOGETHER. Remember, according to this logic we need to let businesses push wages as low as they want because to do otherwise is for democracy to lay its dirty hands on the immaculate 'free market'. The minimum wage, according to libertarians, forbids greedy employers from pushing wages low enough that they can take on more laborers without sharing any of the proportion of profits funneled straight to the top... thus their argument is that the minimum wage 'causes' unemployment (its unclear what good full employment is if the jobs being created pay poverty wages). However, the fact of the matter is that NO hard-working human being EVER deserves to work 40 hours a week for a pay check that cannot meet their most basic needs. Ron Paul opposes the minimum wage because it doesn't allow profit-hungry businesses to make wages LOW ENOUGH. Talk about having the wrong priorities. This should come as no surprise since just about all of Ron Paul's politics rest on a fundamental preference for the good of business over the good of society.
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14. Repealing Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and every other social program put in place since the New Deal... he probably thinks that Public Libraries are 'communistic institutions' and that if you cannot afford a book, you should just take personal responsibility and go out and buy it yourself (or write one yourself and then read it yourself.) Oh, the collectivist horror of making books available to everyone free of charge! How dare they bring men with guns to 'steal' my tax dollars in order to fund public services! Outrage!
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15. Being content with genocide in Sudan and enabling the perpetuation of atrocities. Ron Paul voted against a bill that would have required the Federal Government to divest from corporations doing business with mass murders in Sudan. Instead of making a statement against nihilistic profit-obsessed corporations, RP preferred a masturbatory "No" vote demonstrating his isolationist and anarcho-capitalist 'street cred'.
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Yes, Ron Paul is against the Iraq War, and so are Pat Buchanan and David Duke. The fact that he is against the Iraq war alone isn’t enough to actually make the guy worth a second look. He's also not the only person running for president who is advocating withdrawal (Kucinich (D) and Gravel (D), both of whom also have no chance of receiving a nomination, both advocate immediate withdrawal.) His non-interventionist (i.e. Paleo-Conservative isolationist) position on Iraq cannot be a compelling reason to suspend judgment about the lunacy of his other positions.

"But he's consistent throughout his whole career!" They will say. Yes, we agree, but since when is being consistently wrong about everything that matters a good thing?
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According to most major polls, Ron is pulling either " - " or "1-2%" among Republicans.

As a Congressman, Ron Paul (R-TX) has voted with his party nearly 80% of the time, which places him firmly within the bounds of a "rank-and-file-Republican". - Seth , posted 12/13/07
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Great awareness everyone
I feel this is all so wonderful that everyone is feeling truly involved with making this candidacy the most positive yet, in quite some time. However, still one thing lacks in our voting system.

We should be free to vote for whomever we wish, weather democratic, libertarian, republican or green. It is so frustrating that we truly don't have the freedom to choose, instead faced with picking sides rather than what is 'best' for the country. Then they wonder why politics are so spear headed and that you never want to bring this up at a dinner party so often. However, well., things are different now, thank God.

namaste - Waater , posted 12/12/07
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He's got some great points.
But he wants to to take the u.s. out to the u.n. Libertarians are, unfortunately, crazy like that, and not progressive at all when examined closely. I'm not a libertarian, although they are fun to listen to to a point. I'm a progressive, and so would not like to see Ron Paul as president. - wil , posted 12/12/07
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a thinking person's candidate
anyone who dismisses Ron Paul out of hand as a kook or joke obviously has not given much thought to politics, economics or the history of freedom - libramoon , posted 12/11/07
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what a joke
that libertarian BS is freaky. and has some nice idealist qualities. but ultimately it FUCKING CRAZY!!! youd have to be NUTS to support that guy. he may be a straight talker but that doesnt mean he's worthy of the office. - JOSH , posted 12/11/07
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Ron Paul
Intersting discussion here. After reading it, I did a quick interent search on Ron Paul. I only found one site that actually compared various voting records of our congress critters. Kind of interesting, even if it was done by the John Birch Society (of which I am not a member):

www.jbs.org/node/4635
www.jbs.org/files/Freedo...dex_110-2.pdf

From everything I've seen lately and read, I knid of like Ron Paul, if nothing else for the simple reason that you know where he stands. Most other candidates don't make a decision without an opinion pole first. Reminds me of an old article my brother pointed out to me years ago by a former Sec. Agriculture named Ezra Benson titled 'The Proper Role of Government". Gives a very intersting perspective on most of government spending. What makes it a real gem is that it is still very much applicable today. It can be found at:

members.tripod.com/~runwin/prg.html
- Jim , posted 12/11/07
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another politician playin sheep...

oh what did his supports toot... global warming is just an opinion...

give me a fucken break...

darwinian social economics bullshit... - ≈one≈ , posted 12/10/07
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Ron Paul
Ron Paul seems very honest, but it is the issues he doesn't address that concern me. Cutting government spending is fine, but does that mean medicaid, social security, welfare benefits get cut? How are low income families supposed survive? Freedom and liberty is wonderful, but so is food, shelter and health. I hope to hear that since we will no longer be funding a war, there will be enough money to support the disabled, elderly, and poor. Someone show me where he explains that, and I will vote for him. - sierra , posted 12/10/07
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Truth & Education is KEY
I'm mildly shocked at the "facts" cited by those against Ron Paul. "Anti-choice" and "pacifist who wants to sign a peace treaty with bin Laden" and the like. I don't mind people being against Ron Paul or any other candidate, but it does bother me when straw men are created in order to justify a dislike of an individual.

Building straw men (and then valiantly burning them down) oversimplifies an issue to the point where there can be no intelligent discussion, and ignores that good people of conscience can disagree on meaningful issues. But it is the whole of a candidate's positions, weighed against opposing candidates, that allows to make informed & rational decisions...decisions NOT on the perfect candidate, but on the best candidate. - David M. , posted 12/10/07
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Ron Paul hmmmmm
If you research and listen....really listen, this is one of the most truth talking politicians in a long while. Thus why the mainstream media is censoring him. That alone should tell you something. If you really enjoy your freedom and want more of it, check out this man. he is all over youtube. and the interesting thing is that he is not the one behind all this movement for freedom. For once the people are!!! - JamesSkylar , posted 12/09/07
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snowball candidate
The best thing that could happen is for the GOP to nominate this clown. - Atabaque , posted 12/09/07
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Nice man, probably like him, could NEVER vote for him.
In a field of candidates, in an election where the bar has been set so low, people like Ron Paul begin to look very good, that is, until you read more. His foreign policy is very much in-line with the feelings of the majority of Americans (we really don't want or like war), but he is a fiscal "libertarian" and he is an "old school" conservative on social issues. He seems like a very decent fellow that I would like personally and would enjoy his company (so long as we didn't talk about social and civil rights issues). I have many friends like that.
I could NEVER vote for a man like him to take the office of President even though he is a vaste improvement over what we have now. That's not enough! Our expectations for a good candidate should be very high because especially now, we need a very dynamic person that understands and believes in the principles set out in our constitution and also will fight to restore the liberties and rights that we've enjoyed as Americans before they were pillaged by the Bush/Cheney administration. We also need a president that will protect and and when needed, fight to restore
the social programs that so many Americans have come to depend on to survive.
We need another FDR not a Ron Paul. - Jeffrey , posted 12/09/07
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Ron Paul support is encouraging...
I like how the only people bashing Ron Paul in this thread seem to know almost nothing about him...That gives me faith that there is a chance for him out there. The more people who learn what he is about, the more people will vote for him when faced with these other horrible choices...There isn't another candidate besides Paul and Kucinich who would even get us out of the war within 5 YEARS!! If there aren't some big changes to our foreign policy, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

I don't like that he's anti-choice, but I am glad that he's actually putting it in perspective enough to know that it shouldn't be a national issue. The same way that he says that gay marriage shouldn't even be a governmental concern (he says governments shouldn't be involved in marriage). I find it somewhat disturbing that people would base their vote entirely on these issues...Even worse, it's people like that who put the current administration in power.
There are so many important national issues, and it's time to bring us back to what made this country great in the first place. Stop Neo-Cons from legislating morality. Stop the Democratic party from legislating compassion. Let's get on to fixing the things that are really wrong. - Ian , posted 12/08/07
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Ron Paul is the only ProChoice Option
He has his beliefs and what he believes is that his pro "life" stance has no place to be imposed on others. If there is a state that wants it banned it will be (women should learn how to use natural birth contol anyway! I have herbally aborted M A N N Y fetuses) In states where people waht the right to surgican it will be legal...like in any state I live in because I will always fight for the right.
Do you even know how to handle freedom???? It means that other people with other beliefs will have freedom too!!! Ron Paul believes that ALL in the US should have Freedom. Get used to it because it just might happen. - Parad , posted 12/08/07
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ron paul deserves a look
There are certainly some sticking points in his campaign that need to be resolved. Personally I'm not thrilled about his pro-life stance. However, he is a Constitutionalist, and his desire to bring America back to her roots is what I feel would get us back on track.

Considering the other candidates... for me, Ron Paul has much less to resolve than any of those other money-grubbers. Do you remember the America that we were brought up to believe in? All those ideals come out of our Constitution. Ron Paul is the only candidate talking about America's original ideals and the practical constructs of our Constitution. - kadesha , posted 12/08/07
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Ron Paul is a terrorist
Ron Paul is a pacifist who wants to sign a peace treaty with Osama Bin Laden. We need a president who will continue Bush's policies. We need to emphasize the Judeo-Christian roots of this great nation by putting God back into our schools and government, remove big government red tape that liberals call "checks and balances" so our Commander in Chief can do his job to protect the American people, and decommission every anti-American regime like Iran that wants to build nukes, no matter how steep a price we must pay in terms of money and blood. - Forest , posted 12/06/07
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Good point
Women should be treated as the goddesses they are. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Art. - *RyRy* , posted 12/06/07
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As far as I'm concerned...
Ron Paul is no better than any fascist. Ron Paul is anti-choice. Period, end of story. Anyone who considers a woman to be nothing more than a walking incubator is vile in my eyes.
I happen to believe that I have the right to my own body and no one has the right to tell me what to do with it, what to put or not put in it, and how to treat it - as long as my choices don't hurt anyone else. The worse regimes currently in the world always curb those rights, and there is a direct correlation between the right to one's own body and the degree to which a government oppresses its inhabitants.
Ron Paul is just another anti-choice, foreigner hating, anti-environmental (he would abolish the EPA!), anti-gay republican stamp who mouths libertarian slogans to get votes.
I detest him, and glad he's dead last in the polls. - onlineron , posted 12/06/07
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excellent find
Alternative media has known for a few months now that Ron Paul would win this upcoming primary season. I think I see the tide turning in the mainstream media. A lot more positive articles about Dr. Paul are reaching a lot of places that were ignoring him before. The moneybomb set for the 16th is going to create history, once again, and there's a good chance the most if not all the money raised on that day will be above and beyond the campaigns goal for the quarter. America has been ready for a rEVOLution for a long time, and it's good to see it finally here.

Go to the following website to find out when the primary and registration deadline is in your state:
www.ronpaul2008.com/states/
(if you live in Arizona, the registration deadline is January 7th, and you can register online at www.servicearizona.com - you must register as a Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primary!)

Donate as much and as often as you can (especially on December 16th and 17th) - the positive press Ron Paul gets regarding the fund raising is worth much more than the money the campaign is getting.
www.ronpaul2008.com/donate

Find your local meetup and get out there for some old-fashioned politicking.
ronpaul.meetup.com

There's hundreds of things you can do to get the word out there. Yard signs, bumper stickers, just talking to friends and family. Show them a youtube video or two. Pass out some literature. Tell your church group, your neighbors, strike up a conversation with a stranger. Just get the word out that the people are taking our government back! - kvD , posted 12/06/07
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Best Bet For United States - Ron Paul 2008
Read this review here... It makes excellent points!

Presidential Candidate Ron Paul Bears Empty Pot For Americans

December 6, 2007

(Smithtown, N.Y.) Many contend that Ron Paul, although an honest, plain-talking man, comes to the 2008 presidential campaign podium without a lot of achievement. While in office, he hasn’t steer-headed proposed legislation into law, or galvanized broad-based support for this national agenda or that, or even been on board with most post-911 bills and actions. For almost twenty years, he’s been a dedicated representative for his Texas District and has not a potpourri of achievements about which to boast on the presidential campaign trail. Is this exactly true? How could someone serve for so long, and have so little to show for it?

At this time, I should share a story I heard from two entertainers at my son’s grade school. The entertainers were turning books from different parts of the world into short, little plays, in order to spark the children’s interest in reading. The following story took place centuries ago in the Far East.

The wise, old emperor was keenly aware that he was getting along in years, and he worried about finding a suitable replacement to lead the people. One day, he solicited the young people of his kingdom to gather, and he shocked them by telling them that he would be stepping down and that he would choose one of them to be his successor. “I am going to give each one of you a seed today, a very special seed. I want you to plant the seed, water it and come back here one year from today with what you have grown from the seed. I will then judge the plants that you bring, and the one I choose will be the next emperor!”

One young man named Ling, a son of a farmer, was there that day, and he was certain that he could cultivate that seed better than anyone else. He got a pot, filled it with rich soil and watered it carefully. Day after day, he checked the pot. Weeks passed by, then months, and still nothing had grown. Other youths from the kingdom began to talk about their plants and flowers and trees, but Ling said nothing. He was sure that he somehow had killed the seed.

After a year had passed, all the youths of the kingdom brought their plants to the emperor for inspection. Ling’s first inclination was not to attend, but he showed up that day, sick to his stomach. He was amazed at the plants that the others had brought. They were of all different varieties and all so beautiful. Some of the others made fun of Ling’s empty pot and others felt pity for him. Ling stood toward the back of the crowd.

The emperor looked over the vast array and seemed pleased. Then, he spotted Ling standing at the back of the room with his empty pot, and he ordered his guards to bring the young man to the front. Ling was led grudgingly, fearful that he may be punished for his utter failure. The emperor asked his name. “My name is Ling,” he replied. Now, all the youths were laughing and making fun. The emperor then announced to the crowd, “Behold your new emperor! His name is Ling!”
The emperor continued,

One year ago today, I gave everyone here a seed. I told you to take the seed, plant it, water it and bring it back to me today. But I gave you all boiled seeds which would not grow. The rest of you substituted your own seeds for the one I gave you, but Ling was the only one with the courage and honesty to bring me a pot with my seed in it. Therefore, he is the one who will be your new emperor!

Ron Paul, like Ling, is a great truth-teller. His voting record is one of the most consistent
this writer has ever seen. No flip-flops are to be found. As well, he is a courageous and wise man, and a heck of an economist. Just ask the Wall Streeters. However, he bears to his fellow countrymen (and countrywomen), an empty pot. He can’t claim to have brought you wars or higher taxes, which we now have. He never brought you an unbalanced budget, which is a perennial joke. He never voted himself a wage increase and, to this day, gives back part of his salary every year. He has always voted to preserve the Constitution, cut government spending, lower healthcare costs, end the war on drugs, secure our borders with immigration reform and protect our civil liberties. Sorrowfully, he was outvoted or shot down on all measures. The Constitution has been chiseled down, government spending is through the roof, healthcare costs are out of control, the war on drugs keeps getting less effective, immigration issues remain unresolved and our civil liberties have been crimped for our own safety. I’ll just throw in that Ron Paul opposes regulation of the internet, which has been a revolution in the exchange of ideas, this article being a case in point.

The eye-popping reality of the situation is this. No longer can it be said that Ron Paul is running for President. Amazingly enough, his candidacy has been hijacked, and it appears now that the people are running for President. . . through Ron Paul! That’s the true revolution about which your neighbors are speaking.

So, do you want the plants and flowers that your other government representatives have cultivated for you year after year, or do you want an open and honest effort at change, not for the powerful interests, but for you and for members of your family yet to arrive. If you want to see an unprecedented effort at change - starting with the only man on the campaign trail who is not afraid to tell you the truth - your action must start now. Get informed. Get angry. Get talking to your neighbors. Then, get to the voting booths! - SunRa , posted 12/06/07

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